Let's compare situations.

When the changes in Crucible were announced, the miners cheered, proudly proclaiming that Suicide Ganking would end. And the Ice interdiction never repeated.

Then, when neither happened, they started crying big wet tears and entirely forgot that their ships were more expensive than ever to gank.

They got their tanks (cost to gank) effectively buffed by a good margin, and cried about the results.


The gate gun change eliminates the PvP equivalent to mining, that's often the only significant source of income for pirates who don't have income generating alts. The pirates have taken notice, and are pointing out the bad effects this will have.

If the changes do go into effect, pirates will keep camping, they'll just have to use different (and probably more effective) means to do it. They'll adapt (though the LS population will likely shrink again).



Basically, "Don't kill gate camping" != "Oh God, I'm helpless, please change the game so I don't have to learn to X"

Dohoho http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Gillia+Winddancer

I support the changes and would like to see gatecamping impossible in lowsec. Yes, I am a carebear and no I will not HTFU.

Loot from a wreck and then die from overpowered gate guns. Welcome to New Eve. Any none fluffeh unicorns in space actions will not be tolerated.

I read this as 'I don't have the skills for nullsec, nor a true understanding of how null pvp works'.

A piratey carebear? Who'da thunk it.

Pirates killed piracy. You guys could have ran that sh*t like the mob, but instead it became about kill mails, dishonoring ransoms and blowing up anything that popped through the gates. The short term thinking of the majority of losec players amazes me, because with some protection rackets and crafty manipulation you might have made some serious bank. I'm talking a player-driven social structure that could easily be comparable to such things as the mob in 30s Chicago or 70-80s New York, or even a Mexican Cartel organization.

Maybe that's what CCP is trying to nudge the players to incorporate for themselves, instead of this scorched earth policy that most people utilize for the lulz and the mailz. That was never sustainable in the first place, and it reeks of welfare dependance that players would do this and then cry that CCP should move Lvl4s, Incursions, etc. out to losec. By now making it near impossible to perma-tank gate guns (which never should have been an option, ever), players will now have to adapt, be creative, learn new methods to play and profit from the game. If losec players are smart, they will start thinking more long term. They may even create a whole new social structure in losec that would encourage more people to come to losec via a mafia-style protection system that would shield those who pay and destroy those who are payees to other losec corps.

THIS would be emergent gameplay, and this would be something that would draw me out into losec in a heartbeat.

If they were getting hundreds of kills, I doubt they were jumping through gates when the FC said not to.